Zannah fell into a full retreat, desperately giving ground beneath the overwhelming assault. It would only be fair since I've spent so much time discrediting his other accomplishments. Now, in the case of Bane and Maul, Bane is the clear winner. Not to mention, that power never manifested itself in a straight duel. For an instant none of the spectators was even aware of what had happened; it took their minds a moment to catch up and register the blur of action that had occurred so much quicker than their eyes could see. A case could be built for either side. Then we need to consider what a growth in 'power' actually means. And we have entire generations of Sith during the 1000 year republic that where not even mentioned- we have no idea how the former dispatched the latter. @anakinvader99, @dirtyluna, @erkanbeater, @kbroskywalker, @alextheboss. Yes. Re: Darth Bane vs Darth Malak on February 23rd 2020, 9:04 am @IG wrote: Vitiate's lightning is "infinitely more powerful" than lightning that ashes a Meetra++ being, and Revan negates 99% of … He can project Force attacks mid-duel but not with the efficiency or raw explosive power he has when using them in a scenario where his attention is not split between casting his mind into the Force and scrutinizing his enemy. Their fury might be fueled by the dark side energies emanating from the temple, but Bane could just as easily draw upon the same power, letting it build until he unleashed it against his foes. So my question is this: If your case points to Bane's first fight with Zannah in DoE as a pattern that could be followed in this thread against Maul, why are we not reading that fight with Zannah as it actually happened? As they exploded, Bane simply enveloped himself in the Force, creating a protective cocoon that absorbed the impact and left him standing completely unharmed. All right, but that does nothing to diminish my point. A small price to pay, Bane had decided before turning his attention to the Holocron. He reached back into his past, dredging up memories buried deep in his subconscious: memories of his father, Hurst; memories of the beatings; memories of the hatred he bore for the man who had raised him. But just to parallel Bane's showings feat to feat: Bane sprinting two kilometers inside a minute is good, but so is Maul leaping so fast he was invisible to holorecordings unless those holorecordings were slowed down. But their other duel, when Obi-Wan fought alongside Adi Gallia, expressed more equality. on November 17th 2019, 3:01 pm. He gasped faintly as he spoke, though whether from pain or the recent exertion of using the Force—or possibly both—she couldn't tell. And in this scenario, Bane does have a lightsaber, so he could utilize Soresu to hold for at least some time if Maul's aggression is too much for him. He pulls a steel door off its hinges and then blasts out telekinetic waves that melt blasters, hurl back half a dozen soldiers, crush the soldiers bones/organs, and leave walls cracked. If Plagueis had known Sidious's true intentions, that he was training an apprentice, he would have killed him on the spot for breaking the rule of two and because he would rightly have suspected Sidious was about to make a move on him (which he did, while Plagueis was sleeping no less). ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. I could probably be more lenient and give Maul the edge as far as physical lightsaber combat goes, but it probably wouldn't be enough to give Maul the victory. If it's permissible for you to speculate on Bane drawing on powers during the duel that he has never even demonstrated before based on BoS, it should then be permissible for me to speculate on the parameters of Maul's telekinetic raw power based on the ease with which he achieved his TK feats and his potential power. As Bane and Maul are not engaging one another in a location with such an intense dark side aura, nothing leads me to believe this feat should be attributed to Bane for the purposes of this thread. It's just that their decisions on the outcome, to me, weren't explained very thoroughly, but I didn't challenge their decisions to be offensive. The relationship, he had finally realized, was symbiotic—as long as he could endure the constant searing pain of the alien fluids being absorbed and metabolized in his bloodstream. He does have more experience in combat than Maul, and he knows far more about the Force than Maul was ever allowed. For that matter, I could probably outline reasons for Bane winning if I really wanted to. Sure, but how many duels has Bane won on account of TK or Lightning? Additionally, Bane survived that encounter due to his intimate knowledge of Zannah's combat technique and due to keeping Zannah off-balance by exploiting his Force reserves, and Bane has a propensity for finding it difficult to conjure Force powers while concurrently crossing blades with an enemy. A long vertical crack appeared in the wall, though the dark stone block itself was undamaged. :D. Faster? I'm basically just trying to instigate a discussion by making remarks I think others would disagree with. The name Choke seems to imply usage on a living organism, not machinery. On top of this, Bane has one shot to make the cocoon trick count. It began, as it always did, with a faint spark, a tiny flicker of light and heat. For even though its riders had been slain, the second drexl was still alive. =O Could be wrong about that but I vaguely remember it happening. Or will Malgus' force abilities and lightsaber cut the Red Lantern down to size? The cloud rolled quickly over the ground to envelop her. Again, if he had more feats excluding any form of aid or advantage it would be probably be more clear in regards to his victory. A decade later, after the orbalisks encased the majority of Bane's body, Bane struck at Zannah fast enough that he appeared as if he swung a dozen lightsabers. Bane's commented that Force Drain was nearly impossible to apply practically, and that it would exhaust him quickly to create a Death Field. 4. Veradun was a Force-sensitive Human male born in the year 3,701 BBY on the planet Dromund Kaas, the capital of the reconstituted Sith Empire. But mainly the Sith gained power behind the scenes, influencing galactic affairs, gaining political sway, becoming more powerful in the areas of cunning and guile. So far, the reasons for Bane winning are either too vague or just inaccurate. The rule of two had been subverted in the sense that Apprentices could just what till they got old and weak, assassinate them rather than prove they were stronger in open combat. We need to do better than that. That was probably not the best example. Bane rose to his feet in the center of the carnage. Would it change the course of a fight between them much? Bane composed the cocoon right as Zannah was lunging at him from a meter or so away. I don't think that's true at all. When a character has as many combat showings as Bane does, we can infer a normal method of combat on his part. Maul has trained more significantly for the purpose of excessive physical quality. The alien fluids burned like acid as they were absorbed into his circulatory system; it felt as if every drop of blood were boiling...but the benefits were too powerful to be ignored. I hated how he was, I don't know why but it's just a lot worse. If he is capable of using a few force powers even for the sake of disruption, I do believe he could hold his own, at least for a while. I think you have yet to finish the book. None ever did. And for the record, when I say that the users who thought Bane would win made insubstantial cases, I don't mean to say that disrespectfully (JXM, DC, and Steelhound especially should know that I have every respect for their opinions). Bane being more powerful is nice and all, but that hardly guarantees a victory. On the other hand, all he need do to fire Lightning or a telekinetic blast is...fire Lightning or a telekinetic blast. The riderless drexl slammed into Bane's flier the exact instant he engaged the final team. She would later train Darth Millennial. It was as if the jungle feared to creep forward and reclaim the tainted stone. And my recollection of Bane's whole campaign there was absent a few important details, such as the fact that Lehon was a potent Force nexus that affected Bane immediately upon arrival there. In the blink of an eye he knocked the saber from Sirak’s hand, sliced down to shatter his forearm, then spun through and brought his saber crashing into his opponent’s lower leg. The Force wave slammed into the woman's back, pulverizing her spine and snapping her neck as it drove her facedown into the dirt and pinned her against the ground. Uhmm no. The cunning Grand Master Jedi takes on the brooding brute of a Sith Lord. I don't like how he makes note of so many Force techniques and so forth but hasn't even demonstrated them in the slightest. Force-wise, Bane wins a pretty big majority of the time, although by no means is it a landslide victory. You and DC argued that Bane would win a slight majority, and, well, I just can't allow anyone to disagree with me. "You have polluted the minds of your followers; you and Kaan have led them down the path of ruin.". We should rely on information we can prove, not on information we can flimsily offer that would only leads us farther away from reaching common ground. You would need to extrapolate from his telekinetic accomplishments elsewhere in conjunction with that to make a plausible case. The spark quickly became a flame, and the flame an inferno. @silver2467: Great this discussion is taken off just as you thought :D I will reply to you in a little while, mainly because I'm on my Android and I suck at typing with it. Wooden supply crates exploded into kindling, the shattered contents spraying out in a shower of splintered shrapnel. 2-Some Siths killed their masters with dirty tricks or when they were old. No. LOL, naturally I would side with you, considering I've pretty much never actually decisively won a debate against you (minus the bonus rounds). Darth Bane vs Darth Malgus. Furthermore, Bane imposes both a Physical Advantage (due to Size) and a Form Advantage (Soresu to Juyo) against Maul. And then he'd watched in amazement as the wound healed itself almost instantly, the creature having somehow caused his tissue to regenerate. Maybe too much for you to ever bear.". And walking toward her from the carnage was the bloodsoaked form of her Master. Veradun was raised by an adoptive father, a biologist in the Imperial Science Bureau, and the man maintained a private zoo on a planet other than Dromund Kaas with funding from the Empire where he collected and studied many different animals. I'm not even going to mentioned whatshisname from the Sith Academy on Korriban because he was nothing more then fodder. However, is the cocoon trick really the most probable offensive technique for Bane to employ here? Maul has a wider skill advantage than Bane does a power advantage. Blade_of_Dorin. He also has experience fighting Zabrak and people who use dual-bladed lightsabers and dual-wielding lightsabers. Instead he let the tantalizing closeness of Sirak’s defeat feed his appetite for vengeance. It sounds almost like Force Crush, but whatever. Veradun was raised by an adoptive father, a biologist in the Imperial Science Bureau, and the man maintained a private zoo on a planet other than Dromund Kaas with funding from the Empire where he collected and studied many different animals. Basically, you're arguing all this time for Bane's cocoon technique only amounts to a single chance on his part to make it useful. In the very center stood the Rakatan Temple. And even those that did, in most cases it would've been a coin toss for victory rather than one decisively overpowering the other. @citizenbane: I think they imply his ability to use them, just not his mastery (which I doubt). For the next ten minutes he battled the pelting storm, reveling in the power of the dark side. Without them I could never have survived what you just witnessed." Bane considered before replying. Regardless, even granting that Bane does possess all of the powers he listed in his entry in Book of Sith (which itself is speculative, but I'll leave that alone), the fact that none of these powers ever surfaced during any of his fights is telling. Re: Darth Bane vs Darth Malak vs Darth Vader vs Darth Malgus Jump to: Select a forum | |--Rules and Announcements |--Star Wars Versus | |--Ongoing Suspect Showdowns (SS) | |--Finished Suspect Showdowns (SS) | |--Star Wars Blogs |--Star Wars Legends Discussion |--Star Wars Canon Discussion |--Nexus of Thought |--General Discussion At the very least, I'm glad no one is arguing Bane will stomp this anymore, but I am still a bit dismayed that I've thus far failed to convince anyone Maul could actually win. They stood a meter apart, each on one side of a small doorway carved in the back wall. Feats for Bane. Of course, that's not the best comparison as Zannah is used to defensive techniques and counterstrikes as opposed to being the aggressor, but she's at least comparable to Bane. And that besides, simply because he is aware of the disciplines of certain techniques hardly concludes him to be a paragon in their operation. It's just that no one seemed to be giving Maul much of a chance here, even though I think he could contend. Thought by many to be the fabled Sith'ari, he rose from his birth as a poor miner on the planet Apatros to one of the greatest Sith of the new Sith Order he helped create after his training at the Sith Academy on Korriban. And likewise. Well anything can happen in a fight, but I give Bane win here due to better knowledge and understanding of the force. Probably not. Of course, that's not the best comparison as Zannah is used to defensive techniques and counterstrikes as opposed to being the aggressor, but she's at least comparable to Bane. Two of the most powerful Sith Lords in the entire Order, both are hardly human anymore, held together by cybernetics and The Dark Side, if these two cybernetic butchers ever met on the battlefield, Who would win? The Empire is war made manifest. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. I will have a post up regarding this thread up in a bit. LOL. But how many apprentices did? Mid-combat, the entrance of Bane's offensive powers into a duel is stressed by the onslaught of an aggressive and more skillful duelist. I would add much more but I'm kinda lazy right now. This time he went deep, plunging into the well of power that dwelled within his core. Also, the quote was less about the effect of the Death Field but more about the fact that when it was mentioning the "exhausting Bane" thing, I believe it meant exhausting Bane excluding the aid of the temple (which would mean he is capable of doing it without aid but would exhaust himself), but that is probably just my horrendous tendency to wander off with ideas and take them completely out of context. All of these are good but not much faster than most other characters in Bane's speed class. Bane's body trembled with the strain as he fought to contain the power, letting the dark side energy build to a critical mass. I'm aware that is not all he has accomplished, but I found it interesting you were putting up mainly telekinetics/Force techniques. Power doesn't just have to be combative. When it was over her Master turned to face her. It's not a good comparison because Zannah is not as prolific a lightsaber master as Maul is in the first place. She fell into a defensive posture as she so often had during their training sessions. For example, Malgus being able to lift a small shuttle is comparable to say Maul pulling a shuttle off a cliff, so I conclude that Malgus and Maul are capable of similar force feats. Its surface was pristine: stark and pure, unsullied by clinging moss or climbing ivy. He shook his head to clear it. Bane deflecting torrents of rain is impressive, but so is Maul deflecting fire from a small army of droids and proceeding to carve up all of them, as well as on other occasions perceiving time in slow motion to "move between the moments." Yoda even muses as much in ROTS when fighting Sidious, that the Jedi had been fighting the old Sith, on the battle field, but the Sith had changed, and where once battles were waged on the battlefields, now battles were waged in politics and influence, becasuse that was the 'power' that the Sith had amassed over the generations. Bane takes this 10/10 due to having a HUGE advantage in raw Force power and knowledge of the Dark Side, and being good enough with a saber to keep up with Maul. Bane claimed the orbalisks enhanced his power, granting him unnatural strength and healing abilities. Sjuttiosju. she asked softly. Also, the numerous Force techniques Bane was stating in the. maybe to a degree, yes. He waited until the last possible second before unleashing the energy bottled up inside him in a tremendous rush of power. Bane's standard MO for offensive Force powers mid-duel is TK, Lightning, and...not much else. However, RoT goes out of its way to cement the fact that the orbalisk armor increases Bane's strength, speed, and power with the Force. The heavy slab flew across the room and struck the far wall with a heavy thud. I could go on, since there's so many things demonstrated only once, but that hardly prevents them from further duplication. He only defeated Kas'im by first escaping him, at which point, Kas'im paused the duel to gloat at Bane, which presented Bane the opportunity to hurl a Force attack at him. Correct me if I'm wrong, haven't read DoE lately. No prep. Well, it seemed to me (and this could just be my own arbitrary interpretation) that Bane had to both settle energies to be exploded outward and encage himself in a cocoon to pull off that showing. He fought defensively in that fight because of the circumstances he was trapped in, being unarmed against Zannah whose intent was to kill him. I'm still not entirely clear on why that, of all things, is the power being banked on to strengthen an argument for Bane repelling Maul enough to use another power. Ah, you know me. It just seems really speculation based unlike the matches where we can draw comparisons on how Maul faired against X character compared to Vader or whatever. It splintered under the impact and Sirak screamed as a shard of gleaming white bone sliced through muscle, sinew, and finally skin. And yeah, I am pretty sure Maul would have defeated Bane one on one, as the novels on Bane prove he is not a master of saber combat by any means. And this is why the comparison doesn't make sense. Get e-mail updates for my channel! "The effort of creating an aura of pure dark side energy would have quickly exhausted even Bane. The four guards up here had been alerted by the blaster shots being fired down below; unlike the first wave they weren't caught off guard by his violent entrance. This is the version of Maul that was current when the thread was created, not what's current now. Maul's inability to deal with Drain could prove troublesome for him, but I suspect convection, cryokinesis and so forth aren't going to be of much help in this scenario. Sure, Vader is not as fast as he was when he was Anakin Skywalker (neither is neither is Maul or Bane, though a case could be made for Maul) but he is no slower then Bane. If that's the case, kindly let me know but don't go on a rampage on me. "Will I have to wear them, too?" Problem with this line of reasoning is that it descends into conjecture neither of us can sufficiently prove and could just become a matter of both of us being too stubborn to concede a simple point. He met their assault with an explosion of crackling energy that rippled out in a violet wave from his body at the center. A good sign. What about Kreia and the Jedi Masters on Dantooine, or the S-canon clip where Sion was owned by Nihilus, or when Sion was owned by Kreia? Again I refer to Plagueis's statements that very few Sith actually followed Banes rules. ), On to dueling, Bane has no feats that outmatch Mauls, (who has taken Qui Gon-Jinn and padawan Obi-Wan simultaneously) IIRC, didn't he beat Obi-Wan again in the Clone Wars? West End Games Star Wars roleplaying supplements sometimes were published as "Cracken's" guides to their topic. Bane is a physical powerhouse, and he has spent a considerable amount of time perfecting himself physically. Lightsaber combat leans heavily in Maul's favor; Force power leans somewhat in Bane's. It would be too much for you to bear as a child. The Sith Empire VS The Rule of Two! Ten or twenty meters, either way, Maul can dash that distance almost instantly. Force-wise, Bane wins a pretty big majority of the time, although by no means is it a landslide victory. Tiny clouds of hissing steam formed as his blade picked off the descending drops while Bane twisted, twirled, and contorted his body to evade those few that managed to slip through his defenses. The novelization made it clear that Maul's existence was "perfectly meaningless" to Palpatine, while in the show it appears he kidnapped Maul for his own purposes. Palpatine trains him, but keeps much of the deeper secrets of the darkside from Maul's knowledge. Sorry for the wait, but I can be lazy at times. Even the air felt different: heavy with ancient history and secrets long forgotten. Bane is overall more powerful and would say better with his powers. He ran. Additionally, Bane has equal or better Speed and Force feats than Maul, and in terms of skill, I consider his performance against Tas’im slightly better than losing to an elderly Jinn and vastly pre-prime Kenobi. Would you say Kreia lacks the ability to use Force Drain, even though canonically she only ever used it once, on the masters? And in this scenario, Bane does have a lightsaber, so he could utilize Soresu to hold for at least some time if Maul's aggression is too much for him. EDIT: I withdraw this point completely. Clamping down with the dark side, he crushed the last of the mighty rancor’s will to resist and urged it forward. LOL. Its not absolutely certain, but I don't think it would be likely for him to know such Force powers and lack the ability to use them. He focused his power and channeled it through the orbalisks, letting them gorge themselves on the dark side. You could probably compare his rain deflection feat to Maul's thousand-blows in rapid succession, but Bane hasn't really done anything like get stranded for a month with only assassin droids for company only for the sake of training. By no means whatsoever is Bane lacking in physical, combat, or power feats, and the various feats of unaided power Bane does have supersede Maul's in my own estimation, as I said before. svara 1: Þeir voru meira og minna jafnir í hráum ljósabardaga. Some of the information merely confirmed what he already knew: once attached to a host the orbalisks could not be removed. The hallucinations that had plagued his wounded mind ever since the detonation of the thought bomb vanished, instantly and utterly annihilated by his newfound power. Unless there are specific circumstances surrounding said usage (which in this case there are not) then generally they should not be doubted. He was limping and hunched over, with one arm clutched at his side. Bane tossed the blaster aside and tore the door off its hinges. There are some who can employ Drain in combat, but apparently, Bane's usage of it was not so fruitful in that arena. But he also learned that, in addition to boosting a host's physical abilities, it was possible to tap into the parasites' ability to feed on the dark side to greatly increase one's own command of the Force. The theory of banite was sound, but in reality the scaling didn't work out perfectly, as highlighted by Plagueis. I'm aware that is not all he has accomplished, but I found it interesting you were putting up mainly telekinetics/Force techniques. Bane was able to prevent himself from being killed without against Zannah when he was lacking a lightsaber. And the power that had let him survive this incredible ordeal—the power of the dark side—would one day be hers to command! Force abilities, probably not. Don’t live your life in fear, Bane. Muscles tense and coiled in anticipation, he fed the spark, fueling it with his own passion, letting his anger and fury transform the flame into an inferno waiting to be unleashed. For these reasons, I can say that Bane takes a majority against Maul. He could sense the power of the Temple, calling to him from behind the impenetrable curtain of tangled vines and twisted branches. We determine character actions in combat by their usual morals and mindsets, not by their outlier showings. Better to end it now.". Tents were uprooted from the ground, their material torn and shredded. Bane mastered all seven lightsaber forms, and would then focus mainly upon Djem So because of his physical stature and strength. A total of 40. But then again, I've hardly been on, though it's still nice to see you. Its not likely to get into the duel, as I already said, but it might be possible once Bane knocks him away via the lightning cocoon we were just talking about. But none of their attacks could pierce the chitinous shells of his orbalisk armor. Superior in every category besides esoteric knowledge, which doesn't come into play much. It burst open from the impact, sending him tumbling into the room beyond. It was meant to be able to create enough distance for recovery, or for Bane to focus on using another Force power, if he manages to make the time. Well, Maul > Bane physically, Bane > Maul in regards to Force power. Zannah is neither as skilled nor as aggressive as Maul, as you pointed out. My stance, however, is that the cases built for Bane were inadequate, and the cases built for Maul were nonexistent due to lack of support for that side. Bane couldn’t see more than a few meters ahead through the thick vegetation, but he knew they were close now. Bane channeled the power of the temple itself to subsist his powers in that effort, without which he would've exhausted himself. The incoming bolts were absorbed harmlessly into the ionic storm, the blasters themselves melted in the hands of their owners. His skin was sheened in sweat, but not a single drop of rain had touched his bare flesh. I was under the impression that Bane wasn't really "charging up" said cocoon, but rather waiting for Zannah to strike and then using it when she least expected it. Giving in to his orbalisk-fueled bloodrage, he was like a wild animal, raining savage blows down on her from all angles, the strikes coming so fast it seemed as if he wielded a dozen blades at the same time. He channeled it through his muscles and limbs, moving so fast it seemed as if time had stopped for the rest of the world. I have to win on the interwebz! Re: Darth Plagueis vs Darth Malgus on August 23rd 2020, 9:01 pm Because the difference from 67BBY to peak Plagueis is nowhere near as the vast stomp gaps between the … After perusing through that section in DoE again, Zannah was lunging at Bane to cut him down with her lightsaber, and when she was a meter or so away, Bane enveloped himself in the energy cocoon, which Zannah splintered with her lightsaber. We literally see this with all three modern day instances, Plagueis killed Tenebrous with a sneak attack, Sidious killed Plagueis with a sneak attack, Vader killed Sidious in a sneak attack. Then, he still has his lightning cocoon which would throw both him and Maul backward, giving him some distance. Sure, maybe it could create a gap between Bane and Maul, but how long exactly are we supposing it would take Maul to cover a ten meter distance? That I remain unconvinced that Bane could kill Maul with one Force attack as he did against Kas'im (where Bane was amped anyway) only further undermines my confidence in this tactic. "Surely you know I could kill you just as easily with my lightsaber as I could with the Force. They scattered in all directions: one of the women ran off to the left, two men ran off to the right; the other three turned and fled in a direct line away from the deadly interloper. 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